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Constable George Crabtree ([personal profile] 19centconstable) wrote2011-06-19 07:50 pm

Case #9: Video

[George is holding his communicator in one hand and filming himself as he waves cheerfully. He turns the camera briefly to show a group of aliens sat at a small table amidst what looks like a futuristic street fair who are waving cheerfully back. They are about nine feet tall, and hairy, with sharp talons on their fingers. They are wearing breathing-masks. They are also wearing slacks and crisply pressed button-down shirts. The camera turns back on George, as he continues to stride through the bazaar.]

I've just been speaking to some terribly nice Martians about Martian Jesus! I'm afraid a good deal of it all went straight over my head, but they did give me book which...

[George glances down at, presumably, the book in his hand.]

...appears to be about the Greek God Dionysus. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but it was quite kind of them nevertheless. They also tested my levels of stress, although I really don't believe I'm under any undue amount of it, and invited me to come to their church tomorrow, although I think I'm going to decline.

[George draws closer to his communicator and imparts in a hushed voice:]

I believe they may have been Mormons.

[He draws back and makes a face that's equal parts "yikes", and "Mormons: whattayagonnado? They're really nice and it's hard to hold it against them".]

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I seem to remember it to be a sort of... cult like thing, but this is from when I studied theology in the sixties. It might have changed a bit since then.

I think they believed we were all immortal and we'd forgotten or something.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't see myself forgetting something like that.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Me neither, but I think that was the base theory of it.

I think a lot of countries banned it, as it was getting people to give their money away and all sorts of things.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Give their money away? How was it doing that?

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I think, basically, it was operating like a religion would - except for the profit of Mr Hubbard, not for the general congregation.

Scamming people out of their money through promises of salvation.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
But that's not how it's done at all. There's even a bit in the Bible about it.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
About what, exactly? [A skeptical theologian over here.]

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
About not being able to buy salvation. It's the Parable of Lazarus and Dives.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes. I wasn't sure what you were referring to.

But that doesn't stop people trying, does it? People used to buy a monk's prayers, didn't they? Not that the monks were any more moral for selling them, to be fair.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, and God did later raise Lazarus from the dead, which confuses it all a bit.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
God forgives, and nobody is excluded. It still doesn't make buying salvation moral or right.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
It certainly doesn't. Someone should tell the Space Mormons that.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
You ran into them first, you should have. I... well, if I see them, I might try and make the point to them.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
If I had known I would have. They seemed very reasonable and chatty.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
You might get chance again. It might prove an interesting discussion.

I'd like to hear their justifications, if nothing else.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect it's just what they were raised to believe.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect it was. If they believe it sincerely, they should be able to justify it, though.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
That is how most people justify it, though; that and that you're just not meant to question faith.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but... faith is made stronger through doubt. Faith is made stronger through justifying it beyond 'it's what I was always told'. Faith is something more than tradition, and you can question it, and can find more meaning than just what you were taught.

It's when I've questioned my faith when I've found the best answers, when it's come through the strongest. When it's given me what I need to know and believe.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
That was quite beautiful, Sergeant. If you don't mind me saying.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
[cough. Awkward, but totally genuine smile.]

Uh... not something I normally hear. But I don't mind. Thank you. Really, thank you.

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[identity profile] 19centconstable.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
You're quite welcome.

Have you run into any interesting sorts at this port?

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I've run into the guy with the hovercraft. He was... an odd shade of purple and seemed to breathe through his neck. But had a pretty good machine.

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[identity profile] kingfor-aday.livejournal.com 2011-06-20 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
It's... a boat that hovers on air.

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